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<font face="Verdana">Again, I am running for a day long meeting and
wont be able to contribute for the next many hours.. So, Jeremy,
can we have another day, but dont want to delay any deadline
imperative, so do go ahead if that is difficult.... But I think
this is an important statement and thus important to get right...<br>
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On Gene's point - asking companies to support changes in law is
fine -- but I also have a lot of questions and issues to address
them about what already happened - and so have the people I talk
to - and I think we need to write to them separately too, unless,
we are just writing an open statement - which I prefer - which
covers both US and these compaines issues... <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 June 2013 08:14 AM, Gene
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type="cite">On Parminder's second point, about the companies, I
wonder if we should just ask all companies that engage in internet
commerce to abide by the same human rights principles we're
asking governments to follow; and in addition ask these companies
with a presence in the U.S. to support the same changes in law
we're proposing?<br>
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All<br>
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Sorry, have been behind on this and could not follow
closely due to some pre occupations.... Did not suspect we
have such a close deadline for delivery. I thought we had
time.... I am unable to respond right now but have some
comments which I can make only later in the day... Can we
wait a day or two.... But pl go ahead if it is urgent...<br>
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Two things bother me about the statement <br>
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1. While I am not against addressing it to the US gov
normally, I have been appalled that in all the post PRISM
clarifications, everything has eclusively been about
protecting US citizens' interests, and saying that they
would not do such a thing to US citizens (meaning very
clearly that non US citizens are a very different matter).
Not a word has been uttered about the rights of non US
citizens, even when the worst transgressions have been
made against them. I resent such an attitude of US gov,
which makes me think whether I want to address it at all
on this issue.. And even if addressed, this point has to
be foregrounded. Especially the hypocrisy of all the speak
of "global Internet community' when the issue is critical
Internet resources oversight, and that category of thought
completely disappearing when real Internet governance
issues come up need to be highlighted.<br>
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2. I am unable to understand why are we so soft on the
involved companies. I need to know more why they did what
they did and how, and why they could not be more
transparent to their global customers.... In India here
most people feel a deep breach of trust.... I am not at
all convinced that they are entirely clean on this, and
they told us all that they legally could. Do we write a
seperate letter to them.... In fact, my view is, we write
a general statement on the issue, not addressed to anyone,
which covers both US govs's and these companies'
culpabilities, or at least asks the needed probing
questions from the latter. I have many such questions. <br>
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parminder <br>
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AM, Deborah Brown wrote:<br>
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<div>I wanted start a separate thread on delivery of the
statement, as it's looking like we're getting close to
finalizing the text.<br>
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<div>Jeremy set a deadline of noon GMT on Thursday
for edits, I believe. I'm hearing that it would
not be wise to deliver the letter this week
because Congress is consumed with immigration
reform and the farm bill. Plus delivering it on
Friday would not be ideal if we want media
attention. </div>
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<div>How do others feel about aiming for a Monday
or Tuesday delivery? Then as Joana mentioned,
those who will be at the Freedom Online
Coalition meeting in Tunis can deliver it to
officials there as well.</div>
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<div>If the plan is to deliver this to all members
of Congress, we would need contact information
for all offices. Is that what others had in
mind? A number of groups that regularly do
DC-based advocacy already have this information,
so perhaps it would make the most sense to work
with one of the more international groups with a
DC presence on delivery. Amnesty International
and HRW come to mind, but there are probably
others. What do others think?</div>
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<div>Best, <br>
Deborah </div>
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