<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >I agree with Parminder' s suggested paragragh with one friendly amendment: instead of stating these actions are human rights violations,  I suggest "almost certainly human rights violations. " Rather than an absolute assertion,  it may be wise to give them a chance to at least offer a defense,  if they can.<br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: parminder <parminder@itforchange.net> <br>Date:  <br>To: bestbits@lists.bestbits.net <br>Subject: Re: [bestbits] Delivery of International civil society letter to Congress to follow up from HRC statement <br> <br><br>
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    <font face="Verdana">The statement has turned out well. However, I
      remain concerned about the fact that the issue of non citizens
      related content surveillance has not at all been addressed by the
      US authorities. They havent bothered to say a word on it (not that
      it is easily defensible).  I would like the group to consider
      adding the following paragraph somewhere......<br>
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    <blockquote><font face="Verdana">"We are extremely disappointed
        that, in all the post 'disclosures' statements, US authorities
        have only insisted that there was no access obtained to content
        related to <i>US citizens</i>, and just their communication
        meta-data was collected. There has </font><font face="Verdana">not
      </font><font face="Verdana">been  a word on the issue of
        large-scale access to content related to non US citizens, which
        is a violation of their human rights. The focussing of the US
        authorities on the difference between treatment of US citizens
        and non-citizens on an issue which essentially relates to
        violation of human rights is very problematic. Human rights are
        universal, and every government must refrain from violating them
        for all people, and not merely for its citizens. The current and
        future US law and practices on this matter should take note of
        this. "</font><br>
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      I  still</font><font face="Verdana"> have</font><font face="Verdana"> issues with the role of the involved companies,
      which I will address in a separate email. I am fine though to
      address them separately, through a possible second statement. <br>
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      Meanwhile the second sentence in the following </font><font face="Verdana">somehow </font><font face="Verdana">looks not
      quite right. <br>
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    <blockquote><font face="Verdana">"</font>T<font face="Verdana"><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh">he
          introduction of</span><span class="author-a-z67zz68zbqz85zz87zrdez74z4hxz66zz70zz77z s"><s>
            untargeted</s></span><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh">
          surveillance mechanisms at the heart of global digital
          communications severely threatens human rights in the digital
          age. <i><b>These new forms of decentralized power reflect
              fundamental shifts in the structure of information systems
              in modern societies</b></i></span><i><b><span class="author-a-z67zz68zbqz85zz87zrdez74z4hxz66zz70zz77z">.</span></b></i><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh">
          [3] </span><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh
          s"><s>and a</s></span><span class="author-a-z67zz68zbqz85zz87zrdez74z4hxz66zz70zz77z">A</span><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh">ny
          step in this direction needs to be scrutinized </span><span class="author-a-9ulz122z0wue2z75zz87zz76zz90zz79z5z76z">through</span><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh">
          ample, deep and transparent debate. Interference with the
          human rights of citizens by any government, their own or
          foreign, is unacceptable."</span></font><br>
      <font face="Verdana"><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh"></span></font></blockquote>
    <font face="Verdana"><span class="author-a-fpz86zz81zz122zyrz89zz73z6sz84zz74zz65zz72zh">What
        is being referred to as a 'form of decentralised power'? From
        the reference I take it, it is about 'arab spring' kind of
        people's power, but that doesnt look clear from the way the
        sentence is wedged between the other two sentences...<br>
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        parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 June 2013 05:11 PM, Anja
      Kovacs wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Also, in response to Parminder's questions: while
        we had agreed from the beginning that the focus of this
        particular statement would be the US Congress, I feel (and I
        just reread it to check) that it does foreground the concerns of
        non-US citizens/resident (as it was meant to do in my reading as
        well). Parminder, do you really feel that doesn't come out at
        all? In that case, we do have some more work to do....<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2013 16:28, Anja Kovacs <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Anriette, is there a strong reason why you feel we
                should release this tomorrow already? My inclination
                would be to agree with Nnenna and others and to wait
                until Monday, but would be keen to know why you feel
                tomorrow is a better idea. <br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2013 14:37, Nnenna
                    Nwakanma <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Hi people<br>
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                        <div>I will say  submit on Monday.  When you
                          kick off the week with it, you will have ample
                          time to rave up media attention on it..<br>
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                        <div>I am hoping Mandela does not give up the
                          fight.. because that will overshadow any other
                          Internet news...<br>
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                        <div>I am booked for the very first Africa
                          Internet Summit in Lusaka next week.  I do
                          hope to be able to draw attention to the
                          statement, as well as some that have been made
                          by Best Bits.<br>
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                        <div>Best of the day..<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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                            <div>Nnenna<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 13,
                              2013 at 8:51 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                Content is coming along well.<br>
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                                Jeremy, in response to your question,
                                what about giving people until<br>
                                21h00 GMT/UTC today, Thursday. Then you
                                can close the text, finalise it,<br>
                                and release for sign-ons and give people
                                until 16h00 GMT/UTC Friday for<br>
                                sign ons and then we can send it off
                                before the end of the business day<br>
                                in Washington DC (will be 12h00 in DC).<br>
                                <br>
                                That will accommodate Parminder's
                                request, but still enable us to get<br>
                                enough sign ons and get the letter to
                                Washington DC on Friday. Only<br>
                                region that will have a shortish period
                                for sign ons will be the Americas.<br>
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                                Will this work?<br>
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                                Anriette<br>
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                                On 13/06/2013 08:13, Jeremy Malcolm
                                wrote:<br>
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                                executive director, association for
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              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>
                  Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
                  The Internet Democracy Project<br>
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                  +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><br>
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        Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
        The Internet Democracy Project<br>
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        +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><br>
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