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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello everyone,<br>
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My name is Mishi Choudhary and I am the executive director of
SFLC.in, a not for profit society working that works to advance
technology policy that supports political freedom and personal
privacy, based in New Delhi, India. I have been a silent observer
for a few months on this list but am pitching in on one point. <br>
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<br>
I strongly agree with Parminder about addressing the companies
involved as the importance of PRISM is that it shows everyone on
earth that if they store personal data in centralized services and
communicate through such centralized "platforms", sooner or later
governments will greedily spy on us all. If people want to protect
freedom, they have to demand and use technology that also protects
freedom. The defensive , onus shifting strategy, atleast the three
major companies have adopted seem too late , too little and more
an eyewash for now.<br>
<br>
Thanks everyone who is involved in this commendable effort.
SFLC.in will be signing the resultant statement .<br>
<br>
On 06/12/2013 10:22 PM, parminder wrote:<br>
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<font face="Verdana">Hi All<br>
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Sorry, have been behind on this and could not follow closely due
to some pre occupations.... Did not suspect we have such a close
deadline for delivery. I thought we had time.... I am unable to
respond right now but have some comments which I can make only
later in the day... Can we wait a day or two.... But pl go ahead
if it is urgent...<br>
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Two things bother me about the statement <br>
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1. While I am not against addressing it to the US gov normally,
I have been appalled that in all the post PRISM clarifications,
everything has eclusively been about protecting US citizens'
interests, and saying that they would not do such a thing to US
citizens (meaning very clearly that non US citizens are a very
different matter). Not a word has been uttered about the rights
of non US citizens, even when the worst transgressions have been
made against them. I resent such an attitude of US gov, which
makes me think whether I want to address it at all on this
issue.. And even if addressed, this point has to be
foregrounded. Especially the hypocrisy of all the speak of
"global Internet community' when the issue is critical Internet
resources oversight, and that category of thought completely
disappearing when real Internet governance issues come up need
to be highlighted.<br>
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2. I am unable to understand why are we so soft on the involved
companies. I need to know more why they did what they did and
how, and why they could not be more transparent to their global
customers.... In India here most people feel a deep breach of
trust.... I am not at all convinced that they are entirely clean
on this, and they told us all that they legally could. Do we
write a seperate letter to them.... In fact, my view is, we
write a general statement on the issue, not addressed to anyone,
which covers both US govs's and these companies' culpabilities,
or at least asks the needed probing questions from the latter. I
have many such questions. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 June 2013 01:57 AM,
Deborah Brown wrote:<br>
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<div>I wanted start a separate thread on delivery of the
statement, as it's looking like we're getting close to
finalizing the text.<br>
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<div>Jeremy set a deadline of noon GMT on Thursday for
edits, I believe. I'm hearing that it would not be
wise to deliver the letter this week because Congress
is consumed with immigration reform and the farm bill.
Plus delivering it on Friday would not be ideal if we
want media attention. </div>
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<div>How do others feel about aiming for a Monday or
Tuesday delivery? Then as Joana mentioned, those who
will be at the Freedom Online Coalition meeting in
Tunis can deliver it to officials there as well.</div>
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<div>If the plan is to deliver this to all members of
Congress, we would need contact information for all
offices. Is that what others had in mind? A number of
groups that regularly do DC-based advocacy already
have this information, so perhaps it would make the
most sense to work with one of the more international
groups with a DC presence on delivery. Amnesty
International and HRW come to mind, but there are
probably others. What do others think?</div>
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<div>Best, <br>
Deborah </div>
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Warm Regards
Mishi Choudhary, Esq.
Director-International Practice
Software Freedom Law Center
1995 Broadway Floor 17
New York, NY-10023
(tel) 212-461-1912
(fax) 212-580-0898
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.softwarefreedom.org">www.softwarefreedom.org</a>
Executive Director
SFLC.IN
K-9, Second Floor
Jangpura Extn.
New Delhi-110014
(tel) +91-11-43587126
(fax) +91-11-24323530
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sflc.in">www.sflc.in</a>
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