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<br><div><div>On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:09 PM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    <font face="Verdana">To further clarify. The main point in my
      addition which goes away with Kevin's amendment is the fact of
      making the distinction between the claimed meta data related
      surveillance of </font>US citizens and direct access to actual
    content in case of PRISM operations that relate to non US
    residents... Inside the US, the discussion seem to keep conflating
    these two very different kinds and levels of incursions and
    therefore in my view a global civil society statement should make
    the distinction clear.... And of course I also insist to harp on the
    fact that while US authorities have made so many statements
    stressing that the content related to US citizens was never
    accessed, they havent said a word about having made such
    infringements vis a vis non US citizens. I think that non US
    citizens have a right to stress this point . Happy to hear Kevin on
    this ..<br>
    <br>
    However I may very soon be going offline, <br>
    <br>
    parminder<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 June 2013 10:28 PM,
      Carolina Rossini wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:CAK-FJAcXGDv=zJg+05JeS_AbnAWfe6+7NDDUhATcq6-z3fX0kg@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Dear Kevin and Parminder,<br>
      <br>
      Do you think there is any specific contribution to the letter you
      can make based on the debate below? I just want to be sure we are
      channeling this energy in the lists to the word that will become
      public. <br>
      <br>
      Btw, I have already incorporated Parminder's earlier
      contributions.  <br>
      <br>
      Carol<br>
      <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM,
        parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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            <font face="Verdana"> Kevin, If you ask me, I believe that
              the collection of direct content related info on non US
              citizens was in fact much larger than what most suspect at
              present. See Snowdon's latest statements at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/12/politics/nsa-leak" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/12/politics/nsa-leak</a><br>
              <br>
              Of particular significance is this quote "</font><font face="Verdana"> "We hack network backbones -- like huge
              Internet routers, basically -- that give us access to the
              communications of hundreds of thousands of computers
              without having to hack every single one."  (Snowdon is in
              an extremly precarious position, and must be careful about
              what he says, and its veracity.)<br>
              <br>
              Now, network backbone hacking seems to go beyond accessing
              the servers of Microsoft, Google, Fscebook and 6 other
              companies that have been under focus. We still do not know
              the processes and outcomes of these direct network
              backbone hacking , and it may be contained in the numerous
              documents that Snowdon shared and newspapers are still
              keeping from us. <br>
              <br>
              Also worrying for me is your reference to FISA text in an
              earlier email that "outside US to outside US" content
              could be hacked with no court order. Snowdon further says
              in the above piece that even universties and students were
              targetted. I have a feeling that under conditions
              requiring no court orders, US intelligence guys simply
              went berserk over the technical possibilities that they
              found at their hand, Every piece of evidence points to
              this, and I would like to go by this presumption till
              compelling eivdence to the contrary is shown. <br>
              <br>
              We are making a civil society statement, we are not making
              a judicial pronouncement. The evidence we got at present
              is enough for making such a statement. We are happy to be
              responded to by US authorities  - who have not bothered to
              utter one word about direct content surveillance of non US
              citizens - that what we say is not true, and this and this
              is the proof of that...<br>
              <br>
               I would like to keep the text I suggested in, with
              possibly Gene's amendments...<br>
              <br>
              Of course, happy to discuss this further.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                  <br>
                  Parminder  <br>
                  <br>
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                <div>On Thursday 13 June 2013 09:44 PM, parminder wrote:<br>
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                  <font face="Verdana">I am happy to accept Gene's
                    amendment, but Kevin's goes too far. will justify my
                    comment in a short while... parminder <br>
                    <br>
                    Kevin, If you ask me, I believe that the collection
                    of <br>
                    <br>
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                  <div>On Thursday 13 June 2013 09:34 PM, Kevin Bankston
                    wrote:<br>
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                  <blockquote type="cite"> I strongly support the
                    general sentiment that Parminder is seeking to add.
                     For what it's worth, here's a post that I and my
                    colleague Emily wrote yesterday on the same point,
                    urging our domestic audience and policymakers to pay
                    more attention to the international/human rights
                    implications, entitled "It's not just about US: How
                    the NSA Threatens Human Rights Internationally": 
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.cdt.org/blogs/1206it%E2%80%99s-not-just-about-us-how-nsa-threatens-human-rights-internationally" target="_blank">https://www.cdt.org/blogs/1206it%E2%80%99s-not-just-about-us-how-nsa-threatens-human-rights-internationally</a><br>
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                        <div>However, I think it's worth noting at this
                          point that because of the various company
                          denials (some of them quite strenuous and
                          clear), because of the Washington Post
                          stepping back from some of its reporting, and
                          because of conflicting reports in other major
                          news outlets like the New York Times and
                          Wired, we actually *do not know* how broad the
                          data collection being done via "PRISM" under
                          the FISA Amendments Act actually is; in other
                          words, we have no idea whether or how
                          proportionate it is.  It very well might be
                          incredibly broad, which is certainly my fear;
                          it may also be more targeted than we suspect.
                           Meanwhile, the other conduct that's been
                          exposed--the disclosure of phone records--was
                          in regard to calls made to or from or inside
                          the US.  So, for that reason, I agree with
                          Gene that it would be preferable that we have
                          a little wiggle room--we actually *don't know*
                          that there has been "large scale" access to
                          non-US persons content at this point, even if
                          we strongly suspect it.  Furthermore, no one
                          has said there was "no access obtained to
                          content related to US citizens"; they've
                          simply said (which is BS) "no one's listening
                          to your calls", in reference to the PATRIOT
                          215 order for phone records.  So, I'd suggest
                          editing Parminder's suggestion into something
                          like...</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div><font face="Verdana">"We are extremely
                            disappointed that, in the wake of the latest
                            disclosures, statements by the US government
                            have focused solely on assuring the American
                            people that their privacy rights have been
                            respected.  The right to privacy against
                            overreaching government surveillance is a
                            human right.  </font><font face="Verdana">Human
                            rights are universal, belonging to all
                            people regardless of nationality, and every
                            government must refrain from violating them
                            for all people, and not merely for its
                            citizens. The US government's current and
                            future surveillance law and practice must
                            reflect this reality and respect everyone's
                            human rights."</font><br>
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                                                        <div>____________________________________</div>
                                                        <div>Kevin S.
                                                          Bankston</div>
                                                        <div>Senior
                                                          Counsel and
                                                          Free
                                                          Expression
                                                          Director</div>
                                                        <div>Center for
                                                          Democracy
                                                          &
                                                          Technology</div>
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                                                          NW, Suite 1100</div>
                                                        <div>Washington,
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                              <div>On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Anja
                                Kovacs <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank"><anja@internetdemocracy.in></a>
                                wrote:</div>
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                                  <div>+1 on Parminder's additional
                                    suggested paragraph, though in its
                                    original form (certainly many of us
                                    feel our rights have been violated,
                                    not sure we should leave it up to
                                    the US government to decide whehter
                                    or not that has indeed happened...).<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Thanks,<br>
                                    Anja<br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June
                                    2013 20:02, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                                            can take a look for style
                                            and grammar… Just alert me
                                            when there is a "finalized"
                                            text… I'm out and about all
                                            day today so won't likely
                                            get to in until tonight
                                            (East coast Canada time) or
                                            tomorrow morning.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">M</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                                            [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>]
                                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carolina
                                            Rossini<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June
                                            13, 2013 10:16 AM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b> parminder<br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a></span></p>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits]
                                          Delivery of International
                                          civil society letter to
                                          Congress to follow up from HRC
                                          statement</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">I like
                                          parminder suggestions on
                                          non-US citizens. </p>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal"> I
                                                also agree with
                                                suggestion on delivering
                                                this on Monday.</p>
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                                            <div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal">Who
                                                could take a final look
                                                for style and grammar?
                                                Much of it was lost
                                                during the editing
                                                process. I can try, but
                                                it would be better if a
                                                native english speaker
                                                take the lead on the
                                                final round. </p>
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                                            <div><p class="MsoNormal">Carol</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at
                                                  10:08 AM, parminder
                                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>


                                                  wrote:</p>
                                                <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
                                                    <br>
                                                    <span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The


                                                      statement has
                                                      turned out well.
                                                      However, I remain
                                                      concerned about
                                                      the fact that the
                                                      issue of non
                                                      citizens related
                                                      content
                                                      surveillance has
                                                      not at all been
                                                      addressed by the
                                                      US authorities.
                                                      They havent
                                                      bothered to say a
                                                      word on it (not
                                                      that it is easily
                                                      defensible).  I
                                                      would like the
                                                      group to consider
                                                      adding the
                                                      following
                                                      paragraph
                                                      somewhere......</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">"We are
                                                      extremely
                                                      disappointed that,
                                                      in all the post
                                                      'disclosures'
                                                      statements, US
                                                      authorities have
                                                      only insisted that
                                                      there was no
                                                      access obtained to
                                                      content related to
                                                      <i>US citizens</i>,
                                                      and just their
                                                      communication
                                                      meta-data was
                                                      collected. There
                                                      has not been  a
                                                      word on the issue
                                                      of large-scale
                                                      access to content
                                                      related to non US
                                                      citizens, which is
                                                      a violation of
                                                      their human
                                                      rights. The
                                                      focussing of the
                                                      US authorities on
                                                      the difference
                                                      between treatment
                                                      of US citizens and
                                                      non-citizens on an
                                                      issue which
                                                      essentially
                                                      relates to
                                                      violation of human
                                                      rights is very
                                                      problematic. Human
                                                      rights are
                                                      universal, and
                                                      every government
                                                      must refrain from
                                                      violating them for
                                                      all people, and
                                                      not merely for its
                                                      citizens. The
                                                      current and future
                                                      US law and
                                                      practices on this
                                                      matter should take
                                                      note of this. "</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                      I  still have
                                                      issues with the
                                                      role of the
                                                      involved
                                                      companies, which I
                                                      will address in a
                                                      separate email. I
                                                      am fine though to
                                                      address them
                                                      separately,
                                                      through a possible
                                                      second statement.
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Meanwhile the
                                                      second sentence in
                                                      the following
                                                      somehow looks not
                                                      quite right. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">"</span>T<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">he
                                                      introduction of<s>
                                                        untargeted</s>
                                                      surveillance
                                                      mechanisms at the
                                                      heart of global
                                                      digital
                                                      communications
                                                      severely threatens
                                                      human rights in
                                                      the digital age. <b><i>These
                                                          new forms of
                                                          decentralized
                                                          power reflect
                                                          fundamental
                                                          shifts in the
                                                          structure of
                                                          information
                                                          systems in
                                                          modern
                                                          societies.</i></b>
                                                      [3] <s>and a</s>Any
                                                      step in this
                                                      direction needs to
                                                      be scrutinized
                                                      through ample,
                                                      deep and
                                                      transparent
                                                      debate.
                                                      Interference with
                                                      the human rights
                                                      of citizens by any
                                                      government, their
                                                      own or foreign, is
                                                      unacceptable."</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">What is
                                                      being referred to
                                                      as a 'form of
                                                      decentralised
                                                      power'? From the
                                                      reference I take
                                                      it, it is about
                                                      'arab spring' kind
                                                      of people's power,
                                                      but that doesnt
                                                      look clear from
                                                      the way the
                                                      sentence is wedged
                                                      between the other
                                                      two sentences...<span style="color:#888888"><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <span>parminder
                                                        </span><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                      </span> </span></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">On

                                                        Thursday 13 June
                                                        2013 05:11 PM,
                                                        Anja Kovacs
                                                        wrote:</p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                      <div><p class="MsoNormal">Also,

                                                          in response to
                                                          Parminder's
                                                          questions:
                                                          while we had
                                                          agreed from
                                                          the beginning
                                                          that the focus
                                                          of this
                                                          particular
                                                          statement
                                                          would be the
                                                          US Congress, I
                                                          feel (and I
                                                          just reread it
                                                          to check) that
                                                          it does
                                                          foreground the
                                                          concerns of
                                                          non-US
                                                          citizens/resident
                                                          (as it was
                                                          meant to do in
                                                          my reading as
                                                          well).
                                                          Parminder, do
                                                          you really
                                                          feel that
                                                          doesn't come
                                                          out at all? In
                                                          that case, we
                                                          do have some
                                                          more work to
                                                          do....</p>
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                                                      <div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                        <div><p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          13 June 2013
                                                          16:28, Anja
                                                          Kovacs <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>>


                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal">Anriette,


                                                          is there a
                                                          strong reason
                                                          why you feel
                                                          we should
                                                          release this
                                                          tomorrow
                                                          already? My
                                                          inclination
                                                          would be to
                                                          agree with
                                                          Nnenna and
                                                          others and to
                                                          wait until
                                                          Monday, but
                                                          would be keen
                                                          to know why
                                                          you feel
                                                          tomorrow is a
                                                          better idea. </p>
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                                                          <div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal">On


                                                          13 June 2013
                                                          14:37, Nnenna
                                                          Nwakanma <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>>


                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi people</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          will say 
                                                          submit on
                                                          Monday.  When
                                                          you kick off
                                                          the week with
                                                          it, you will
                                                          have ample
                                                          time to rave
                                                          up media
                                                          attention on
                                                          it..</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am hoping Mandela does not give up the
                                                          fight..
                                                          because that
                                                          will
                                                          overshadow any
                                                          other Internet
                                                          news...</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> I am booked for the very first Africa
                                                          Internet
                                                          Summit in
                                                          Lusaka next
                                                          week.  I do
                                                          hope to be
                                                          able to draw
                                                          attention to
                                                          the statement,
                                                          as well as
                                                          some that have
                                                          been made by
                                                          Best Bits.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> Best of the day..</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Nnenna</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal">On


                                                          Thu, Jun 13,
                                                          2013 at 8:51
                                                          AM, Anriette
                                                          Esterhuysen
                                                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <br>
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                                                          everyone<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Content is
                                                          coming along
                                                          well.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Jeremy, in
                                                          response to
                                                          your question,
                                                          what about
                                                          giving people
                                                          until<br>
                                                          21h00 GMT/UTC
                                                          today,
                                                          Thursday. Then
                                                          you can close
                                                          the text,
                                                          finalise it,<br>
                                                          and release
                                                          for sign-ons
                                                          and give
                                                          people until
                                                          16h00 GMT/UTC
                                                          Friday for<br>
                                                          sign ons and
                                                          then we can
                                                          send it off
                                                          before the end
                                                          of the
                                                          business day<br>
                                                          in Washington
                                                          DC (will be
                                                          12h00 in DC).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          That will
                                                          accommodate
                                                          Parminder's
                                                          request, but
                                                          still enable
                                                          us to get<br>
                                                          enough sign
                                                          ons and get
                                                          the letter to
                                                          Washington DC
                                                          on Friday.
                                                          Only<br>
                                                          region that
                                                          will have a
                                                          shortish
                                                          period for
                                                          sign ons will
                                                          be the
                                                          Americas.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Will this
                                                          work?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Anriette<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 13/06/2013
                                                          08:13, Jeremy
                                                          Malcolm wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          anriette
                                                          esterhuysen <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a><br>
                                                          executive
                                                          director,
                                                          association
                                                          for
                                                          progressive
                                                          communications<br>
                                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.apc.org/" target="_blank">www.apc.org</a><br>
                                                          po box 29755,
                                                          melville 2109<br>
                                                          south africa<br>
                                                          tel/fax <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B27%2011%20726%201692" target="_blank">+27 11 726 1692</a><br>
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                                                          </p>
                                                          </div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">-- <br>
                                                          Dr. Anja
                                                          Kovacs<br>
                                                          The Internet
                                                          Democracy
                                                          Project<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B91%209899028053" target="_blank">+91 9899028053</a> |
                                                          @anjakovacs<br>
                                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <br clear="all">
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Dr. Anja
                                                          Kovacs<br>
                                                          The Internet
                                                          Democracy
                                                          Project<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B91%209899028053" target="_blank">+91 9899028053</a> |
                                                          @anjakovacs<br>
                                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a></p>
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                                              </p>
                                              <div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div><p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"> <b>Carolina

                                                    Rossini</b> </p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333ff"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://carolinarossini.net/" target="_blank">http://carolinarossini.net/</a></span></p>
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                                                  <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#666666">+ 1 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:6176979389" value="+16176979389" target="_blank">6176979389</a></span><br>
                                                      <span style="color:#666666">*</span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#666666">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</span></a><span style="color:#666666">*</span></p>
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                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#666666">skype: carolrossini</span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#666666">@carolinarossini</span></p>
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                                  <br>
                                  -- <br>
                                  Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>
                                  The Internet Democracy Project<br>
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