<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">On Parminder's second point, about the companies, I wonder if we should just ask all companies that engage in internet commerce to abide by the same human rights principles we're asking governments to follow; and in addition ask these companies with a presence in the U.S. to support the same changes in law we're proposing?<br><div><div>On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:22 PM, parminder wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<font face="Verdana">Hi All<br>
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Sorry, have been behind on this and could not follow closely due
to some pre occupations.... Did not suspect we have such a close
deadline for delivery. I thought we had time.... I am unable to
respond right now but have some comments which I can make only
later in the day... Can we wait a day or two.... But pl go ahead
if it is urgent...<br>
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Two things bother me about the statement <br>
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1. While I am not against addressing it to the US gov normally, I
have been appalled that in all the post PRISM clarifications,
everything has eclusively been about protecting US citizens'
interests, and saying that they would not do such a thing to US
citizens (meaning very clearly that non US citizens are a very
different matter). Not a word has been uttered about the rights of
non US citizens, even when the worst transgressions have been made
against them. I resent such an attitude of US gov, which makes me
think whether I want to address it at all on this issue.. And even
if addressed, this point has to be foregrounded. Especially the
hypocrisy of all the speak of "global Internet community' when the
issue is critical Internet resources oversight, and that category
of thought completely disappearing when real Internet governance
issues come up need to be highlighted.<br>
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2. I am unable to understand why are we so soft on the involved
companies. I need to know more why they did what they did and how,
and why they could not be more transparent to their global
customers.... In India here most people feel a deep breach of
trust.... I am not at all convinced that they are entirely clean
on this, and they told us all that they legally could. Do we write
a seperate letter to them.... In fact, my view is, we write a
general statement on the issue, not addressed to anyone, which
covers both US govs's and these companies' culpabilities, or at
least asks the needed probing questions from the latter. I have
many such questions. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 13 June 2013 01:57 AM,
Deborah Brown wrote:<br>
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<div>I wanted start a separate thread on delivery of the
statement, as it's looking like we're getting close to
finalizing the text.<br>
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<div>Jeremy set a deadline of noon GMT on Thursday for
edits, I believe. I'm hearing that it would not be wise
to deliver the letter this week because Congress is
consumed with immigration reform and the farm bill. Plus
delivering it on Friday would not be ideal if we want
media attention. </div>
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<div>How do others feel about aiming for a Monday or
Tuesday delivery? Then as Joana mentioned, those who
will be at the Freedom Online Coalition meeting in Tunis
can deliver it to officials there as well.</div>
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<div>If the plan is to deliver this to all members of
Congress, we would need contact information for all
offices. Is that what others had in mind? A number of
groups that regularly do DC-based advocacy already have
this information, so perhaps it would make the most
sense to work with one of the more international groups
with a DC presence on delivery. Amnesty International
and HRW come to mind, but there are probably others.
What do others think?</div>
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<div>Best, <br>
Deborah </div>
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