<div dir="ltr">Agreed that that's a good solution.<br><br>Anja<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 June 2013 15:30, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Monday 10 June 2013 03:09 PM,
Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">if we do so, I guess we should leave it open,
mentioning as examples... meaning that there might be other
companies envolved there werent listed yet</div>
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<br>
Yes, we should say Microsoft, Yahoo, Google... (mention the whole
list here from media reports), and probably others<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM,
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>On Monday 10 June 2013 02:54 PM, Joana Varon
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Sorry, there was mentions at a
certain point... but its a bit unclear if we have
the list of all the companies envolved.. so I
would leave it general.</div>
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</div>
I think we should have the list of companies
mentioned..... The list is there in all newspaper
coverage, with not the least bit of apology and even
uncertainty... Naming and shaming is one basic thing one
dies on HR and such issues. And when the whole world
media carry these names prominently, for a CS group to
be hesitant doesnt sound too good to me...
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013
at 10:18 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="im"> <font face="Verdana">very sorry<br>
<br>
Mis typed<br>
<br>
I mean to say the names of the companies
should be mentioned...<br>
<br>
(they are not mentioned at present)<br>
<br>
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<div>On Monday 10 June 2013 02:17 PM,
Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sure, Parminder. Lets
remove company names.
<div class="im"><div>And thanks for the
comprehension. </div>
</div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon,
Jun 10, 2013 at 9:38 AM,
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">Hi All<br>
<br>
IT for Change will endorse
this .... (There are some
changes I would have liked
to propose but due to the
urgency of the issue i
would not do it now.
Certainly the names of the
companies involved should
have not been mentioned in
the statement. Can we
still do it?.)<br>
<br>
I am sure some of you may
already be in contact with
him but if not Philippe
Dam with Human Rights
Watch may be a useful
person to talk to on this.
i am cc-ing the email to
him. He is attending the
HR Council meeting. Wonder
if Joy is still there? <br>
<br>
Best, parminder<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div><div class="im">
<div>On Monday 10 June
2013 10:07 AM, Deborah
Brown wrote:<br>
</div>
</div><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Dear
all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's a quick
update on the
draft statement to
the Human Rights
Council regarding
the impact of
state surveillance
on human rights.
The draft
statement is
below. We are
currently reaching
out to Geneva
based orgs who
might be able to
assist with
delivery (thanks
Joy) and if not we
can still publish
it and do
outreach. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Given the short
timeframe, can any
further edits be
sent on this
thread in the next
3.5 hours? Then I
will post it to
the Best Bits site
to facilitate
endorsement. In
the meantime, if
organizations or
individuals feel
comfortable
endorsing this
draft, please
reply on this
thread and we can
add your name
through the Best
Bits system later.
As a reminder,
this statement
would be part of a
debate at the HRC
that will take
place at 15:00
Geneva time on
Monday. Though not
ideal, this was
the best time
frame we could
come up with for
facilitating input
and sign on.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks to
everyone who
worked on this
over the last 12
hours and
apologies for any
shortcoming in the
process because of
time constraints.
Looking forward to
more input and to
working together
to get this
finalized.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best, <br>
Deborah </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><div class="im">
<div>Agenda item
8:/General
Debate/</div>
<div> </div>
</div><div> Civil
Society
Statement to the
Human Rights
Council on the
impact of State
Surveillance on
Human Rights
addressing the
PRISM/NSA case</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you Mr.
President. I
speak on behalf
of ______
organizations
from ___
countries,
across ___
regions. This is
a truly global
issue. We
express strong
concern over
recent
revelations of
surveillance of
internet and
telephone
communications
of US and non-US
nationals by the
government of
the United
States of
America. Equally
concerning is
the provision of
access to the
results of that
surveillance to
other
governments such
as the United
Kingdom, and the
indication of
the possible
complicity of
some of the
globally
dominant
US-based
Internet
companies whose
services and
reach are
universally
distributed.
These
revelations
raise the
appearance of,
and may even
suggest a
blatant and
systematic
disregard for
human rights as
articulated in
Articles 17 and
19 of the
International
Covenant on
Civil and
Political Rights
(ICCPR), as well
as Articles 12
and 19 of the
Universal
Declaration of
Human Rights.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just last
year the Council
unanimously
adopted
Resolution 20/8,
which "Affirms
that the same
rights that
people have
offline must
also be
protected
online, in
particular
freedom of
expression
..."[1] But
during this
session the
Special
Rapporteur on
Freedom of
Expression
reported
(A/HRC/23/40)
worrying new
trends in state
surveillance of
communications
with serious
implications for
the exercise of
the human rights
to privacy and
to freedom of
opinion and
expression. The
Special
Rapporteur notes
that inadequate
and non-existent
legal frameworks
"create a
fertile ground
for arbitrary
and unlawful
infringements of
the right to
privacy in
communications
and,
consequently,
also threaten
the protection
of the right to
freedom of
opinion and
expression". [2]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Affirmation
of internet
rights and
freedoms by
governments in
the cross
regional
statement on
freedom of
expression and
the Internet is
important. But
civil society is
extremely
concerned that
governments
supporting this
statement are
not addressing,
and in fact are
ignoring, the
recent serious
revelations
about mass
surveillance in
the PRISM/NSA
case. Although
the personal
information
disclosed under
this programme
is subject to
the oversight of
the US Foreign
Intelligence
Surveillance
Court (FISC),
that court sits
in secret and
has no
responsiblity
for ensuring the
human rights of
those not
subject to US
jurisdiction.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The
introduction of
surveillance
mechanisms into
the very heart
of the data
streams of the
globally central
service
providers
storing and
communicating
the majority of
the world's
digital
communications
is a backward
step for human
rights in the
digital age. As
La Rue notes:
"This raises
serious concern
with regard to
the
extra-territorial
commission of
human rights
violations and
the inability of
individuals to
know that they
might be subject
to foreign
surveillance,
challenge
decisions with
respect to
foreign
surveillance, or
seek remedies."
An immediate
response is
needed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We call on
companies that
are voluntary
and involuntary
parties to the
violation of the
fundamental
rights of their
users globally
to immediately
suspend this
practice. Such
action would
uphold the Human
Rights Council
endorsed United
Nations Guiding
Principles on
Business and
Human Rights,
the “Protect,
Respect and
Remedy”
Framework of
A/HRC/RES/17/4.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We call for
protection of
those who have
made these
violations
public. As Mr La
Rue notes, laws
"must not be
used to target
whistleblowers
... nor should
they hamper the
legitimate
oversight of
government
action by
citizens." We
urge States
protect those
whistleblowers
involved in this
case and to
support their
efforts to
combat
violations of
the fundamental
human rights of
all global
citizens.
Whistleblowers
play a critical
role in
promoting
transparency and
upholding the
human rights of
all. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>This recent
case is a new
kind of human
rights violation
specifically
relevant to the
Internet and one
foreshadowed in
the Council's
2012 Expert
Panel on Freedom
of Expression
and the
Internet. We
therefore call
on the Human
Rights Council
to act swiftly
to prevent
creation of a
global Internet
based
surveillance
system. One
action the
Council could
take would be to
follow up the
Expert Panel by
convening a
multistakeholder
process to
support the
recommendation
of Mr. La Rue
that the Human
Rights Committee
develop a new
General Comment
on the right to
privacy in light
of technological
advancements </div><div class="im">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[1] <a href="http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/G12/153/25/PDF/G1215325.pdf?OpenElement" target="_blank">http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/G12/153/25/PDF/G1215325.pdf?OpenElement</a></div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>[2] <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session23/A.HRC.23.40_EN.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session23/A.HRC.23.40_EN.pdf</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ENDS</div>
</div></div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Jun 9, 2013
at 9:16 PM, Gene
Kimmelman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I'm
glad to see
everyone
diving in on
this. I have
only one
overarching
issue to raise
concerning the
framing of
whatever
groups decide
to put out: I
believe it
would be most
powerful to
challenge both
the US Gvt.
and companies
to explain how
what they have
done does NOT
constitute
human rights
violations,
with specific
details to
explain their
stance. I
believe all
the language
people are
suggesting can
fit within
this framing,
and put the
burden on
others to show
how our
concerns are
not justified.
This has more
to do with
long-term
diplomatic
impact that
anything else;
the debate
will continue
and many of
the facts will
probably never
be made public
-- but I think
it is a
strategic
advantage for
civil society
to always be
calling for
transparency
and basing its
conclusions on
both what
facts are
presented, and
what concerns
are not
addressed by
the
presentation
of convincing
arguments/facts.<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Jun 9,
2013, at 8:50
PM, Jeremy
Malcolm wrote:</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>
<div>On
10/06/2013, at
12:47 AM,
Deborah Brown
<<a href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org" target="_blank">deborah@accessnow.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>In any
case, we could
still work on
a statement to
be released
around this
discussion, or
later in the
HRC session,
which ends
this week.
Jeremy, have
you had the
chance to work
on an outline?
If not, I'm
happy to help
start the
drafting
process. My
main concern
is whether we
have enough
time for
significant
participation
from a
diversity of
groups so that
this is coming
from a global
coalition. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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</div>
<div>Would it
be OK if we
copy it from
the pad to a
sign-on
statement on <a href="http://bestbits.net/" target="_blank">bestbits.net</a>
5 hours before
the hearing?
Those who are
working on the
pad can
pre-endorse it
there. If 5
hours ahead is
not enough,
then I'll need
to instruct
someone else
on how to do
it earlier,
because I'll
be in the air
until then.</div>
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