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hi Jeremy - thanks for the work in developing this and thinking
innovatively about how to take this opportunity further.<br>
In general, I like the idea of taking this specific proposal to the
IGF for multi-stakeholder opinions as ways to shape internet related
policy. But I caution against proposing this as a broad based
solution to all of the matters outlined in the preface to the
proposal as drafted.<br>
I think it better to specifically link the idea to just this Brazil
proposal - that will allow the idea and process to be tested and to
evolve. Perhaps I am mis-reading it, but I interpreted the framing
of the proposed process "a mechanism for beginning to implement the
CSTD Working Group's recommendation" for the IGF to "develop more
tangible outputs" as applicable to any proposal that might emerge
...<br>
I think that wide framing will inevitably lead to concerns about the
issues it might not be suitable for and distract from the basic good
idea for this initiaitve now.<br>
Also, I am not sure that going to the specifics of workshops,
flipcharts etc is a good idea either - I can see governments balking
at that and getting bogged down in detail, rather than responding to
the basic good idea of developing multi-stakeholder opinions
together.<br>
I suggest keep it more general and then open discussion on what the
methods should be, knowing that BB has a more detailed set of
proposals ready to table.<br>
Another thought is that it would be good to float this with the
Brazil government - I recall that they brought the IBSA proposal to
the IGF in 2011 and it did cause significant distraction - for many
reasons - but they may say they have tried this....<br>
Sorry to comment and run - i am between flights on my way to the
Stockholm Forum - but think really it needs to be tightened.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Joy<br>
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On 19/05/2013 1:44 a.m., Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> OK, here is the draft text in
an etherpad:<br>
><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/igf-opinions">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/igf-opinions</a><br>
><br>
> A proposed schedule:<br>
><br>
> * Comments and edits close at 09:00 GMT on 20 May 2012,
final text to be moved to the Best Bits website. Please discuss
in this thread if your comments are too long to be made directly
in the pad.<br>
> * Endorsements collected from 10:00 GMT on 20 May 2012 via
the Best Bits website similar to the WTPF statement.<br>
> * Proposal delivered at IGF open consultation meeting on 21
May 2012 with endorsements as existing at that time.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Please have at it!<br>
><br>
> On 17/05/2013, at 10:41 AM, Jeremy Malcolm
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org"><mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org></a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> As you know, yesterday the WTPF concluded without a
resolution on this proposal by Brazil titled "Operationalizing the
role of Government in the multi-stakeholder framework for Internet
Governance":<br>
>><br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.itu.int/md/S13-WTPF13-C-0005/en">http://www.itu.int/md/S13-WTPF13-C-0005/en</a><br>
>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gTewmlgXNTRYuPvIWylV2K39owgXH8st642I7IaXjh0/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gTewmlgXNTRYuPvIWylV2K39owgXH8st642I7IaXjh0/edit</a><br>
>><br>
>> Two of the options for what could happen to it instead
were either that it could go to the ITU's CWG Internet which is a
government-only group that meets in a closed format with open
consultations, or that it could go to the IGF. The objection
raised to the latter option was that the IGF does not produce
outputs.<br>
>><br>
>> I think that it might be useful for us to quickly produce
a note for next week's IGF to propose a method for discussing the
resolution in a more output-oriented way, that could be an
alternative to its discussion at the CWG Internet (but would
explicitly not prevent it from also being discussed at the CSTD WG
EC, given that it is also relatively multi-stakeholder). This
would not require the wholesale reform of the IGF, but would be
more of a trial run, to demonstrate what is possible - and in an
instance where there is a tangible need to do so.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm floating my intention to produce a first draft of
this, which would then be open for comments and amendments. In
our usual fashion, anyone could endorse it if they agreed. If one
of us will be in Geneva for the MAG meeting and is willing to do
so, they could introduce it there. (I'm starting this on the Best
Bits list rather than the IGC list because the latter is a bit
dysfunctional at the moment, but once a draft is ready we'll post
it there too.)<br>
>><br>
>> What do you think?<br>
>><br>
>> -- <br>
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