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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(apologies a number of typo-gremlins crept in to the original text…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gene and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I've been thinking a lot about the important challenge that you posed below. I'm afraid that I don't have any easy answers as I think that defining "multistakeholder processes" or "multistakeholderism" is more than a semantic or simple linguistic activity but rather will involve identifying the "multistakeholderism that</span><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>we w</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ant" in parallel to defining the "web that we want".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In that context I can only refer back to my blogpost "<a href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/in-defense-of-multistakeholder-processes/">In Defense of Multistakeholder Processes</a>" where I attempted to identify some of the principles that I think need to be incorporated in the MS that we want (</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I did </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>a cut and paste from that blogpost </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>and </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>this is what I came up with as a (very) preliminary set of definitions/norms. (Perhaps these could be the basis for a discussion out of which a CS definition of MS could emerge?).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 1, decisions should be made as close to those impacted as possible <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 2, those impacted by decisions should be involved in those decisions. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 3, provide a means for the otherwise voiceless to have a voice in broader policy and programme decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 4. have clear and transparent processes of internal operation and inclusion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 5. representative and broadly based <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 6. decisions made are responsive to local concerns and to the broadest range of those who must bear the consequences<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 7. make democratic processes more flexible and responsive, able to adjust to changing contexts circumstances, technologies, impacted populations <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 8. incorporate enhanced communications, enhanced interactivity and accelerated change as a support to democratic decision making through MS processes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 9. operate within all of the requirements for effective democracy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 10. are representative and inclusive, transparent and accountable<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The MS that we don't want:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 1, transfer additional power to self-appointed elites or insiders. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 2. processes of decision making which are done without transparency, accountability, explicit procedures, or even-handedness in governance. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 3. transfer of democratic processes of decision making to multistakeholder processes because it seems easier to talk with a small group than with a larger one, to deal with one’s friends rather than with outsiders, to make decisions among those with explicit private interests rather than basing decisions on due and inclusive considerations that recognize and incorporate the public interest and the general good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To conclude MS processes should enhance democracy by increasing opportunities for effective participation by those most directly impacted by decisions and particularly those at the grassroots who so often are voiceless in these processes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [bestbits] Civil society statement to the ITU Sec-Gen ahead of WTPF 2013 - PLEASE ENDORSE AND SHARE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Michael, this all makes sense to me. Can you suggest some process for making progress or resolving definitions? Then more far reaching issues? I'd love to see broader consensus by IGF in Bali. Or should the goal be to prepare for a full debate there? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My sense so far is that people are signing on to statements that are more about what NOT to accept as good process and policy. So there's plenty of room to to develop the more positive agenda.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> <br>Date: <br>To: 'Gene Kimmelman' <<a href="mailto:genekimmelman@gmail.com">genekimmelman@gmail.com</a>>,'parminder' <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> <br>Cc: <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> <br>Subject: RE: [bestbits] Civil society statement to the ITU Sec-Gen ahead of WTPF 2013 - PLEASE ENDORSE AND SHARE <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Gene,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A few additional comments…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have increasing concerns about the emerging movement (and related CS/BB? endorsement) of Multistakeholderism as the dominant modality for Internet Governance broadly understood… I've outlined my concerns in a couple of blogposts which some of you would have already seen, so I won't go into those arguments further except to say that the specific nature and definition of MSism is not clear to me and thus the endorsement of this as in the statement is in some sense to give a blank cheque to those currently promoting MSism for whatever purpose, as well as to those who are most enabled by current MS processes. I think, as a matter of urgency CS/BB needs to clarify precisely what is meant by MS/MSism in the CS/BB context and indicate that this is what is being endorsed rather than some other -- dare I say -- "status quo" definition. I've indicated in <a href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/in-defense-of-multistakeholder-processes/">one of my aforementioned blogposts</a> what I think should be our definition for Multistakeholder processes but I'm sure that this would/could/should be further refined by discussion within CS/BB. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Further, <a href="https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/multistakeholderism-vs-democracy-my-adventures-in-stakeholderland/">as I outlined in another blogpost</a> the matter of how stakeholders are defined/self-defined, the barriers/rules for participation/inclusion and so on remain extremely murky and subject I believe to considerable abuse particularly when seen as being such a fundamental element in highly significant decision making processes. Again until this is clarified and some structures of formalization, accountability and transparency are put into place I would strongly urge CS/BB to reserve its endorsement.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While I fully agree with the concerns/initiatives with respect to "opening" up ITU processes particularly for CS, I have some concerns when this seems to be the dominant priority by those initiating the statement. As I`ve <a href="http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/open-data-empowering-the-empowered-or-effective-data-use-for-everyone/">argued in other contexts</a> discussions around "opening", while on the surface appearing from a CS perspective to be self-evidently aligned with traditional CS norms of democratic practice and social justice; in fact, unless they are accompanied by equal calls for a broad base of inclusion including significant measures to support such inclusion result in a process of further empowering the already empowered (those who are in a position to use such openness in their own interests because of the availability of the human and financial resources to support the use of/derive benefits from such an "opening") .</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With respect to a "development agenda" I see the need for this as part of the larger process of re-engaging with the overall WSIS/"Information Society" (IS) agenda coming out of the WSIS summits and going into WSIS +10. If anything our efforts would be most usefully focused in that direction as I believe, based on my experience at the WSIS + 10 forum in Paris in February that there is a very strong move afoot in certain quarters to ensure that the broader IS issues including a review/assessment of what has been accomplished in the WSIS agenda to date, what has not been accomplished, and what new elements should be added to that agenda for the next period, are sidelined in favour of what I called <a href="https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/making-happytalk-in-paris-disneyland-and-the-wsis-10-review/">in my commentary on that event</a>, "happy talk" about the benefits that have been achieved and the associated benefits yet to be realized.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gene Kimmelman<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> parminder<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Civil society statement to the ITU Sec-Gen ahead of WTPF 2013 - PLEASE ENDORSE AND SHARE</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Having been involved in a number of the discussions about what the language in a short letter (that everyone seemed rushed to put together), I feel quite confident saying that the ENTIRE conversation and focus was about the WTPF, and NOT at all about the ultimate powers or actions of the ITU in the long run (others, please correct me if I'm wrong on that point!). So I believe Parminder is correct to read this as a limited set of demands from CSOs entirely related to the issues raised in the Secretary General's report and Opinions submitted to the WTPF. I take comfort in the reference to the November Best Bits statement and human rights language to preserve other fights for the future.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On the question of "development agenda," I also believe we need more of a coordinated civil society push very soon; maybe we should have considered something stronger in this letter, but at this late date I don't think it would be practical to open that up. But I, for one, would certainly commit to pushing deeper development issues/engagement going forward<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On May 12, 2013, at 9:45 AM, parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Friday 10 May 2013 02:56 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 10/05/13 17:21, parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><snip><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Why should civil society recommend that ITU takes up issues like Internet Exchanges and IPv6 adoption (subject matter of the 'opinions') and not for instance net neutrality, which is not among the subjects covered in the opinions. Why this artificial line about what Internet issues ITU may work on? <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>There is a rationale for this but I'll let one of the others speak to it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>There is no response of this. I would think any clarification sought on a public statement deserve to be responded to ....<br><br>In any case, if what is meant by the statement<br><br>"Rather than seeking to address additional issues, we urge the Secretary-General to move forward in engaging all stakeholders to implement these opinions."<br><br>is that WTPF rather than address other issues.....move forward..... to implement these opinions...... <br><br>I am willing to sign.<br><br>Can someone please clarify whether the limitation is placed on WTPF and on ITU for all times to come....<br><br>Thanks. parminder <br><br>PS: I do completely agree with Michael though that we should have put real development issues in. This would also be in keeping with the mandate bestbits gave itself going forward - to get substantive and develop a positive agenda, rather than reacting....<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: +60 3 7726 1599</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>WCRD 2013 – Consumer Justice Now! | Consumer Protection Map: <a href="https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main">https://wcrd2013.crowdmap.com/main</a> | #wcrd2013</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#999999'>Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. 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