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    <font face="Verdana">Thanks, Andrew, Michael, Tiffiniy and Bazlur
      for egging me on...<br>
      <br>
      So, let me begin thinking aloud along with all of you.<br>
      <br>
      What I am thinking is something on the lines of providing an open
      platform for some freelance (world social forum style), but also
      purposefully organised, civil society idealism around the Internet
      and the future of the world.<br>
      <br>
      We can have this Internet Social Forum (hence ISF) with the slogan
      'the Internet/ web we need - for the world we want'. The Web We
      Want initiative can be a prominent part of this effort. We should
      also have slogans stressing the social construction of the
      Internet, a point missed by most, even those otherwise very
      socio-politically informed. We have to use slogans like 'Internet
      is what WE make it to be', or 'we together make the Internet', and
      so on....<br>
      <br>
      The main purpose is to give an opportunity for different global
      and sub-global civil society groups in different areas - gender,
      climate, livelihoods, democracy, FoE, education, health, trade,
      access to knowledge etc - to explore and propose what is the
      Internet they need for addressing their respective issues. (Of
      course this will need close engagement with IG types with these
      groups to help them in this exercise, but such engagement should
      be <i>on the terms of these other groups</i> and not the other
      way around, which is what is missing in IGF kind of spaces)<br>
      <br>
      I have interacted with many such groups, and I have a distinct
      expression that many of them would be interested in such an
      exercise, and perhaps fund themselves to come for such an event. <br>
      <br>
      We can also form issue-wise egroups beforehand, so that there is
      better chance or real outcomes at the actual event. However, we
      will try to remain focussed on 'what Internet/ web we need'.<br>
      <br>
      The above kind of CS (civil society) groups will be complemented
      by other CS groups closer to the IG space - but still largely
      missing in IG spaces - community media, community networks, free
      and open source software, open access, access to knowledge, and so
      on...<br>
      <br>
      While the spread will be wide, we should organise the thinking,
      discussions and activity around the central question the
      'Internet/ web we want', which BTW is already identified as the
      key substantive issue for the next BB IGF pre event.<br>
      <br>
      In fact we could even develop a document on the 'internet/ web we
      want', with very broad participation and thus legitimacy.... and
      if we get enough participants then also perhaps make a splash at
      the main IGF. Give it greater real CS colors, which often show in
      many global gatherings, but which is largely missing at the IGF
      which has begun to look boringly 'official' and self important
      (without anyone else seeing anything really important about it at
      all)<br>
      <br>
      Well, just this much for the present. Comments invited. <br>
      <br>
      parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 16 March 2013 08:26 AM, AHM
      Bazlur Rahman wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEc4Ok9fWSHFrpnOHrxScKYKBO2uXj-f86qpGK+XrkijsRbMYQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">We support to
          organise </font></font><span
        style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><b><font color="#ff0000">Internet

            social forum</font></b></span>
      <div><font><font color="#ff0000" face="Verdana, sans-serif"><b>from

              Bangladesh<br clear="all">
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          <div style="font-family:Verdana">With best regards,</div>
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          <div><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Bazlu</font></b></div>
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              <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">________________________</font></div>
              <font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><font color="#666666">AHM.
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 15 March 2013 21:39, Andrew
          Puddephatt <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Andrew@global-partners.co.uk" target="_blank">Andrew@global-partners.co.uk</a>></span>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Interesting

                    idea Parminder – how could we make it work?</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7030a0"
                        lang="EN-US">Andrew Puddephatt, Director</span></b><span
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                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                        lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org"
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                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 15 March 2013 09:01<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org"
                          target="_blank">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits meeting
                        plans for the 2013 IGF</span></p>
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                  <span
                    style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I
                    know I am getting increasingly and perhaps
                    unsustainable ambitious, but maybe we can hold an
                    'Internet social forum' and then proceed to more
                    focussed strategising in the bestbits meeting. <br>
                    <br>
                    I think a core/ real civil society in the Internet
                    area needs to be recovered from the unclear
                    ambiguous gooey mass that what goes for the IG civil
                    society has increasingly become....<br>
                    <br>
                    Perhaps just being too radical (and a bit modernist
                    in a highly post modernist Internet world), which is
                    not a bad thing to do once in a while :)<br>
                    <br>
                    parminder <br>
                    <br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 15 March 2013 02:17 PM,
                    parminder wrote:</p>
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                    On Friday 15 March 2013 02:02 PM, Norbert Bollow
                    wrote: <br>
                    <br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Michael Gurstein <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurstein@gmail.com></a>
                    wrote: <br>
                    <snip> <br>
                    Agreed. <br>
                    <br>
                    Furthermore, it is important to get civil society
                    actors from outside <br>
                    the Internet governance community more involved.
                    Maybe, in addition to <br>
                    addressing these matters at the Best Bits meeting in
                    Bali, we need to <br>
                    think about organizing a pre-event in the spirit of
                    Best Bits (but <br>
                    maybe with a different name corresponding to a less
                    technology-centered <br>
                    focus) to an international event where the chances
                    are optimal for <br>
                    effectively introducing the family of issues that
                    you're thinking about <br>
                    into the mainstream of discourse of international
                    policy shaping. </p>
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                    Something in the spirit of the 'world we want' and
                    then proceed to discussing the 'web we want' for the
                    'world we want'. <br>
                    <br>
                    We can invite participation from non IG global and
                    sub global civil society bodies, most of whom do now
                    have an interest to see how IG connects to their
                    work (and most now believe that it does in some
                    basic though largely unclear ways) . Maybe many of
                    them want to come and join in, but there are no good
                    enough and appropriate docking points made available
                    to them, in a manner that look at things in a manner
                    that they traditionally look at. <br>
                    <br>
                    Such actors coming for such an event where they will
                    get introduced to the world of IG can then also lead
                    to a much needed more diverse participation in the
                    IGF... <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    ..  parminder <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I think that we would be very
                    remiss not to spend some time reviewing <br>
                    these "IS" issues and strategizing on how to move
                    these forward <br>
                    alongside and particularly as part of the
                    increasingly visible and <br>
                    significant IG processes -- including within the IGF
                    but also toward <br>
                    WSIS +10 and beyond. </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 <br>
                    <br>
                    Greetings, <br>
                    Norbert <br>
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