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<font face="Verdana">Thanks, Andrew, Michael, Tiffiniy and Bazlur
for egging me on...<br>
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So, let me begin thinking aloud along with all of you.<br>
<br>
What I am thinking is something on the lines of providing an open
platform for some freelance (world social forum style), but also
purposefully organised, civil society idealism around the Internet
and the future of the world.<br>
<br>
We can have this Internet Social Forum (hence ISF) with the slogan
'the Internet/ web we need - for the world we want'. The Web We
Want initiative can be a prominent part of this effort. We should
also have slogans stressing the social construction of the
Internet, a point missed by most, even those otherwise very
socio-politically informed. We have to use slogans like 'Internet
is what WE make it to be', or 'we together make the Internet', and
so on....<br>
<br>
The main purpose is to give an opportunity for different global
and sub-global civil society groups in different areas - gender,
climate, livelihoods, democracy, FoE, education, health, trade,
access to knowledge etc - to explore and propose what is the
Internet they need for addressing their respective issues. (Of
course this will need close engagement with IG types with these
groups to help them in this exercise, but such engagement should
be <i>on the terms of these other groups</i> and not the other
way around, which is what is missing in IGF kind of spaces)<br>
<br>
I have interacted with many such groups, and I have a distinct
expression that many of them would be interested in such an
exercise, and perhaps fund themselves to come for such an event. <br>
<br>
We can also form issue-wise egroups beforehand, so that there is
better chance or real outcomes at the actual event. However, we
will try to remain focussed on 'what Internet/ web we need'.<br>
<br>
The above kind of CS (civil society) groups will be complemented
by other CS groups closer to the IG space - but still largely
missing in IG spaces - community media, community networks, free
and open source software, open access, access to knowledge, and so
on...<br>
<br>
While the spread will be wide, we should organise the thinking,
discussions and activity around the central question the
'Internet/ web we want', which BTW is already identified as the
key substantive issue for the next BB IGF pre event.<br>
<br>
In fact we could even develop a document on the 'internet/ web we
want', with very broad participation and thus legitimacy.... and
if we get enough participants then also perhaps make a splash at
the main IGF. Give it greater real CS colors, which often show in
many global gatherings, but which is largely missing at the IGF
which has begun to look boringly 'official' and self important
(without anyone else seeing anything really important about it at
all)<br>
<br>
Well, just this much for the present. Comments invited. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 16 March 2013 08:26 AM, AHM
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<b>Sent:</b> 15 March 2013 09:01<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits meeting
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<span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I
know I am getting increasingly and perhaps
unsustainable ambitious, but maybe we can hold an
'Internet social forum' and then proceed to more
focussed strategising in the bestbits meeting. <br>
<br>
I think a core/ real civil society in the Internet
area needs to be recovered from the unclear
ambiguous gooey mass that what goes for the IG civil
society has increasingly become....<br>
<br>
Perhaps just being too radical (and a bit modernist
in a highly post modernist Internet world), which is
not a bad thing to do once in a while :)<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 15 March 2013 02:17 PM,
parminder wrote:</p>
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On Friday 15 March 2013 02:02 PM, Norbert Bollow
wrote: <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Gurstein <a
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href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurstein@gmail.com></a>
wrote: <br>
<snip> <br>
Agreed. <br>
<br>
Furthermore, it is important to get civil society
actors from outside <br>
the Internet governance community more involved.
Maybe, in addition to <br>
addressing these matters at the Best Bits meeting in
Bali, we need to <br>
think about organizing a pre-event in the spirit of
Best Bits (but <br>
maybe with a different name corresponding to a less
technology-centered <br>
focus) to an international event where the chances
are optimal for <br>
effectively introducing the family of issues that
you're thinking about <br>
into the mainstream of discourse of international
policy shaping. </p>
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Something in the spirit of the 'world we want' and
then proceed to discussing the 'web we want' for the
'world we want'. <br>
<br>
We can invite participation from non IG global and
sub global civil society bodies, most of whom do now
have an interest to see how IG connects to their
work (and most now believe that it does in some
basic though largely unclear ways) . Maybe many of
them want to come and join in, but there are no good
enough and appropriate docking points made available
to them, in a manner that look at things in a manner
that they traditionally look at. <br>
<br>
Such actors coming for such an event where they will
get introduced to the world of IG can then also lead
to a much needed more diverse participation in the
IGF... <br>
<br>
<br>
.. parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that we would be very
remiss not to spend some time reviewing <br>
these "IS" issues and strategizing on how to move
these forward <br>
alongside and particularly as part of the
increasingly visible and <br>
significant IG processes -- including within the IGF
but also toward <br>
WSIS +10 and beyond. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 <br>
<br>
Greetings, <br>
Norbert <br>
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