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    Dear all<br>
    <br>
    I think the idea of and Internet Social Forum is a great idea. And a
    timely one so +1 from me!<br>
    <br>
    best<br>
    MF<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/03/2013 05:08, parminder wrote:<br>
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      <font face="Verdana">Thanks, Andrew, Michael, Tiffiniy and Bazlur
        for egging me on...<br>
        <br>
        So, let me begin thinking aloud along with all of you.<br>
        <br>
        What I am thinking is something on the lines of providing an
        open platform for some freelance (world social forum style), but
        also purposefully organised, civil society idealism around the
        Internet and the future of the world.<br>
        <br>
        We can have this Internet Social Forum (hence ISF) with the
        slogan 'the Internet/ web we need - for the world we want'. The
        Web We Want initiative can be a prominent part of this effort.
        We should also have slogans stressing the social construction of
        the Internet, a point missed by most, even those otherwise very
        socio-politically informed. We have to use slogans like
        'Internet is what WE make it to be', or 'we together make the
        Internet', and so on....<br>
        <br>
        The main purpose is to give an opportunity for different global
        and sub-global civil society groups in different areas - gender,
        climate, livelihoods, democracy, FoE, education, health, trade,
        access to knowledge etc - to explore and propose what is the
        Internet they need for addressing their respective issues. (Of
        course this will need close engagement with IG types with these
        groups to help them in this exercise, but such engagement should
        be <i>on the terms of these other groups</i> and not the other
        way around, which is what is missing in IGF kind of spaces)<br>
        <br>
        I have interacted with many such groups, and I have a distinct
        expression that many of them would be interested in such an
        exercise, and perhaps fund themselves to come for such an event.
        <br>
        <br>
        We can also form issue-wise egroups beforehand, so that there is
        better chance or real outcomes at the actual event. However, we
        will try to remain focussed on 'what Internet/ web we need'.<br>
        <br>
        The above kind of CS (civil society) groups will be complemented
        by other CS groups closer to the IG space - but still largely
        missing in IG spaces - community media, community networks, free
        and open source software, open access, access to knowledge, and
        so on...<br>
        <br>
        While the spread will be wide, we should organise the thinking,
        discussions and activity around the central question the
        'Internet/ web we want', which BTW is already identified as the
        key substantive issue for the next BB IGF pre event.<br>
        <br>
        In fact we could even develop a document on the 'internet/ web
        we want', with very broad participation and thus legitimacy....
        and if we get enough participants then also perhaps make a
        splash at the main IGF. Give it greater real CS colors, which
        often show in many global gatherings, but which is largely
        missing at the IGF which has begun to look boringly 'official'
        and self important (without anyone else seeing anything really
        important about it at all)<br>
        <br>
        Well, just this much for the present. Comments invited. <br>
        <br>
        parminder <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 16 March 2013 08:26 AM,
        AHM Bazlur Rahman wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEc4Ok9fWSHFrpnOHrxScKYKBO2uXj-f86qpGK+XrkijsRbMYQ@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">We support to
            organise </font></font><span
          style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><b><font
              color="#ff0000">Internet social forum</font></b></span>
        <div><font><font color="#ff0000" face="Verdana, sans-serif"><b>from


                Bangladesh<br clear="all">
              </b></font></font>
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            <div style="font-family:Verdana">With best regards,</div>
            <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
              </font></div>
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            <div><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Bazlu</font></b></div>
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                <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">________________________</font></div>
                <font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><font color="#666666">AHM.

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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 15 March 2013 21:39, Andrew
            Puddephatt <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                      idea Parminder – how could we make it work?</span></p>
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                          lang="EN-US">Andrew Puddephatt, Director</span></b><span
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                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                          lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org"
                            target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org"
                            target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> 15 March 2013 09:01<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org"
                            target="_blank">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits
                          meeting plans for the 2013 IGF</span></p>
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                    <span
                      style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I
                      know I am getting increasingly and perhaps
                      unsustainable ambitious, but maybe we can hold an
                      'Internet social forum' and then proceed to more
                      focussed strategising in the bestbits meeting. <br>
                      <br>
                      I think a core/ real civil society in the Internet
                      area needs to be recovered from the unclear
                      ambiguous gooey mass that what goes for the IG
                      civil society has increasingly become....<br>
                      <br>
                      Perhaps just being too radical (and a bit
                      modernist in a highly post modernist Internet
                      world), which is not a bad thing to do once in a
                      while :)<br>
                      <br>
                      parminder <br>
                      <br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 15 March 2013 02:17
                      PM, parminder wrote:</p>
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                      On Friday 15 March 2013 02:02 PM, Norbert Bollow
                      wrote: <br>
                      <br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Michael Gurstein <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurstein@gmail.com></a>
                      wrote: <br>
                      <snip> <br>
                      Agreed. <br>
                      <br>
                      Furthermore, it is important to get civil society
                      actors from outside <br>
                      the Internet governance community more involved.
                      Maybe, in addition to <br>
                      addressing these matters at the Best Bits meeting
                      in Bali, we need to <br>
                      think about organizing a pre-event in the spirit
                      of Best Bits (but <br>
                      maybe with a different name corresponding to a
                      less technology-centered <br>
                      focus) to an international event where the chances
                      are optimal for <br>
                      effectively introducing the family of issues that
                      you're thinking about <br>
                      into the mainstream of discourse of international
                      policy shaping. </p>
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                      Something in the spirit of the 'world we want' and
                      then proceed to discussing the 'web we want' for
                      the 'world we want'. <br>
                      <br>
                      We can invite participation from non IG global and
                      sub global civil society bodies, most of whom do
                      now have an interest to see how IG connects to
                      their work (and most now believe that it does in
                      some basic though largely unclear ways) . Maybe
                      many of them want to come and join in, but there
                      are no good enough and appropriate docking points
                      made available to them, in a manner that look at
                      things in a manner that they traditionally look
                      at. <br>
                      <br>
                      Such actors coming for such an event where they
                      will get introduced to the world of IG can then
                      also lead to a much needed more diverse
                      participation in the IGF... <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      ..  parminder <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      <br>
                    </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I think that we would be very
                      remiss not to spend some time reviewing <br>
                      these "IS" issues and strategizing on how to move
                      these forward <br>
                      alongside and particularly as part of the
                      increasingly visible and <br>
                      significant IG processes -- including within the
                      IGF but also toward <br>
                      WSIS +10 and beyond. </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Greetings, <br>
                      Norbert <br>
                      <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Dr Marianne Franklin
Reader 
Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
Co-Chair Internet Rights & Principles Coalition (UN IGF)
Goldsmiths, University of London
Dept. of Media & Communications
New Cross, London SE14 6NW
Tel: +44 20 7919 7072
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