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Dear all<br>
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I think the idea of and Internet Social Forum is a great idea. And a
timely one so +1 from me!<br>
<br>
best<br>
MF<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/03/2013 05:08, parminder wrote:<br>
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<font face="Verdana">Thanks, Andrew, Michael, Tiffiniy and Bazlur
for egging me on...<br>
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So, let me begin thinking aloud along with all of you.<br>
<br>
What I am thinking is something on the lines of providing an
open platform for some freelance (world social forum style), but
also purposefully organised, civil society idealism around the
Internet and the future of the world.<br>
<br>
We can have this Internet Social Forum (hence ISF) with the
slogan 'the Internet/ web we need - for the world we want'. The
Web We Want initiative can be a prominent part of this effort.
We should also have slogans stressing the social construction of
the Internet, a point missed by most, even those otherwise very
socio-politically informed. We have to use slogans like
'Internet is what WE make it to be', or 'we together make the
Internet', and so on....<br>
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The main purpose is to give an opportunity for different global
and sub-global civil society groups in different areas - gender,
climate, livelihoods, democracy, FoE, education, health, trade,
access to knowledge etc - to explore and propose what is the
Internet they need for addressing their respective issues. (Of
course this will need close engagement with IG types with these
groups to help them in this exercise, but such engagement should
be <i>on the terms of these other groups</i> and not the other
way around, which is what is missing in IGF kind of spaces)<br>
<br>
I have interacted with many such groups, and I have a distinct
expression that many of them would be interested in such an
exercise, and perhaps fund themselves to come for such an event.
<br>
<br>
We can also form issue-wise egroups beforehand, so that there is
better chance or real outcomes at the actual event. However, we
will try to remain focussed on 'what Internet/ web we need'.<br>
<br>
The above kind of CS (civil society) groups will be complemented
by other CS groups closer to the IG space - but still largely
missing in IG spaces - community media, community networks, free
and open source software, open access, access to knowledge, and
so on...<br>
<br>
While the spread will be wide, we should organise the thinking,
discussions and activity around the central question the
'Internet/ web we want', which BTW is already identified as the
key substantive issue for the next BB IGF pre event.<br>
<br>
In fact we could even develop a document on the 'internet/ web
we want', with very broad participation and thus legitimacy....
and if we get enough participants then also perhaps make a
splash at the main IGF. Give it greater real CS colors, which
often show in many global gatherings, but which is largely
missing at the IGF which has begun to look boringly 'official'
and self important (without anyone else seeing anything really
important about it at all)<br>
<br>
Well, just this much for the present. Comments invited. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 16 March 2013 08:26 AM,
AHM Bazlur Rahman wrote:<br>
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organise </font></font><span
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<div><font><font color="#ff0000" face="Verdana, sans-serif"><b>from
Bangladesh<br clear="all">
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">With best regards,</div>
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<div><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Bazlu</font></b></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 15 March 2013 09:01<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits
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<span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I
know I am getting increasingly and perhaps
unsustainable ambitious, but maybe we can hold an
'Internet social forum' and then proceed to more
focussed strategising in the bestbits meeting. <br>
<br>
I think a core/ real civil society in the Internet
area needs to be recovered from the unclear
ambiguous gooey mass that what goes for the IG
civil society has increasingly become....<br>
<br>
Perhaps just being too radical (and a bit
modernist in a highly post modernist Internet
world), which is not a bad thing to do once in a
while :)<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Friday 15 March 2013 02:17
PM, parminder wrote:</p>
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On Friday 15 March 2013 02:02 PM, Norbert Bollow
wrote: <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Gurstein <a
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wrote: <br>
<snip> <br>
Agreed. <br>
<br>
Furthermore, it is important to get civil society
actors from outside <br>
the Internet governance community more involved.
Maybe, in addition to <br>
addressing these matters at the Best Bits meeting
in Bali, we need to <br>
think about organizing a pre-event in the spirit
of Best Bits (but <br>
maybe with a different name corresponding to a
less technology-centered <br>
focus) to an international event where the chances
are optimal for <br>
effectively introducing the family of issues that
you're thinking about <br>
into the mainstream of discourse of international
policy shaping. </p>
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Something in the spirit of the 'world we want' and
then proceed to discussing the 'web we want' for
the 'world we want'. <br>
<br>
We can invite participation from non IG global and
sub global civil society bodies, most of whom do
now have an interest to see how IG connects to
their work (and most now believe that it does in
some basic though largely unclear ways) . Maybe
many of them want to come and join in, but there
are no good enough and appropriate docking points
made available to them, in a manner that look at
things in a manner that they traditionally look
at. <br>
<br>
Such actors coming for such an event where they
will get introduced to the world of IG can then
also lead to a much needed more diverse
participation in the IGF... <br>
<br>
<br>
.. parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that we would be very
remiss not to spend some time reviewing <br>
these "IS" issues and strategizing on how to move
these forward <br>
alongside and particularly as part of the
increasingly visible and <br>
significant IG processes -- including within the
IGF but also toward <br>
WSIS +10 and beyond. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1
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<br>
Greetings, <br>
Norbert <br>
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