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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is really excellent Parminder… I particularly like the shift away from Internet Governance to the the social governance of the Internet--the World/Web/Internet we want!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think we should be thinking about drafting a brief document that expresses these thoughts and that we can start circulating to our respective networks (and particularly those beyond the IG world) to gauge responses, solicit inputs and begin to generate some momentum towards the event(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 15, 2013 10:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits meeting plans for the 2013 IGF<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks, Andrew, Michael, Tiffiniy and Bazlur for egging me on...<br><br>So, let me begin thinking aloud along with all of you.<br><br>What I am thinking is something on the lines of providing an open platform for some freelance (world social forum style), but also purposefully organised, civil society idealism around the Internet and the future of the world.<br><br>We can have this Internet Social Forum (hence ISF) with the slogan 'the Internet/ web we need - for the world we want'. The Web We Want initiative can be a prominent part of this effort. We should also have slogans stressing the social construction of the Internet, a point missed by most, even those otherwise very socio-politically informed. We have to use slogans like 'Internet is what WE make it to be', or 'we together make the Internet', and so on....<br><br>The main purpose is to give an opportunity for different global and sub-global civil society groups in different areas - gender, climate, livelihoods, democracy, FoE, education, health, trade, access to knowledge etc - to explore and propose what is the Internet they need for addressing their respective issues. (Of course this will need close engagement with IG types with these groups to help them in this exercise, but such engagement should be <i>on the terms of these other groups</i> and not the other way around, which is what is missing in IGF kind of spaces)<br><br>I have interacted with many such groups, and I have a distinct expression that many of them would be interested in such an exercise, and perhaps fund themselves to come for such an event. <br><br>We can also form issue-wise egroups beforehand, so that there is better chance or real outcomes at the actual event. However, we will try to remain focussed on 'what Internet/ web we need'.<br><br>The above kind of CS (civil society) groups will be complemented by other CS groups closer to the IG space - but still largely missing in IG spaces - community media, community networks, free and open source software, open access, access to knowledge, and so on...<br><br>While the spread will be wide, we should organise the thinking, discussions and activity around the central question the 'Internet/ web we want', which BTW is already identified as the key substantive issue for the next BB IGF pre event.<br><br>In fact we could even develop a document on the 'internet/ web we want', with very broad participation and thus legitimacy.... and if we get enough participants then also perhaps make a splash at the main IGF. Give it greater real CS colors, which often show in many global gatherings, but which is largely missing at the IGF which has begun to look boringly 'official' and self important (without anyone else seeing anything really important about it at all)<br><br>Well, just this much for the present. Comments invited. <br><br>parminder <br><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Saturday 16 March 2013 08:26 AM, AHM Bazlur Rahman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>We support to organise </span><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:red'>Internet social forum</span></b> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:red'>from Bangladesh<br clear=all></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>With best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Bazlu</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#666666'>AHM. 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span></b><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><a href="http://www.global-partners.co.uk" target="_blank">www.global-partners.co.uk</a> </span></b><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 March 2013 09:01<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Best Bits meeting plans for the 2013 IGF</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br><br></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I know I am getting increasingly and perhaps unsustainable ambitious, but maybe we can hold an 'Internet social forum' and then proceed to more focussed strategising in the bestbits meeting. <br><br>I think a core/ real civil society in the Internet area needs to be recovered from the unclear ambiguous gooey mass that what goes for the IG civil society has increasingly become....<br><br>Perhaps just being too radical (and a bit modernist in a highly post modernist Internet world), which is not a bad thing to do once in a while :)<br><br>parminder </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>On Friday 15 March 2013 02:17 PM, parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br>On Friday 15 March 2013 02:02 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Michael Gurstein <a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurstein@gmail.com></a> wrote: <br><snip> <br>Agreed. <br><br>Furthermore, it is important to get civil society actors from outside <br>the Internet governance community more involved. Maybe, in addition to <br>addressing these matters at the Best Bits meeting in Bali, we need to <br>think about organizing a pre-event in the spirit of Best Bits (but <br>maybe with a different name corresponding to a less technology-centered <br>focus) to an international event where the chances are optimal for <br>effectively introducing the family of issues that you're thinking about <br>into the mainstream of discourse of international policy shaping. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br>Something in the spirit of the 'world we want' and then proceed to discussing the 'web we want' for the 'world we want'. <br><br>We can invite participation from non IG global and sub global civil society bodies, most of whom do now have an interest to see how IG connects to their work (and most now believe that it does in some basic though largely unclear ways) . Maybe many of them want to come and join in, but there are no good enough and appropriate docking points made available to them, in a manner that look at things in a manner that they traditionally look at. <br><br>Such actors coming for such an event where they will get introduced to the world of IG can then also lead to a much needed more diverse participation in the IGF... <br><br><br>.. parminder <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>I think that we would be very remiss not to spend some time reviewing <br>these "IS" issues and strategizing on how to move these forward <br>alongside and particularly as part of the increasingly visible and <br>significant IG processes -- including within the IGF but also toward <br>WSIS +10 and beyond. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB>+1 <br><br>Greetings, <br>Norbert <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>