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<font size="+1">Good points Parminder. We should also be exploring a<font
size="+1">t some point the issue of taxation from a civil
society perspective</font></font>.<br>
<br>
One consideration you don't make in positing freedom of expression
"against" public interest regulation is that in many instances we
actually need regulation to protect freedom of expression.<br>
<br>
E.g. regulation that does not make internet intermediaries liable
for the content they host/carry.<br>
<br>
I am hoping that the engagement on WCIT by civil society, and the
support for civil society engagement in WCIT will not dry up once
the initial 'victory' has been won.<br>
<br>
Securing a free and open internet in the longer term will indeed
depend on governments not meddling inappropriately in internet
development and regulation, but it also depends on making sure that
there is a level playing field (as level as possible) for internet
businesses and innovators from all over the world, and on making
sure that rights such as freedom of expression and association
(among others) are respected on the internet.<br>
<br>
And leading on from this, there needs to be recourse and remedy for
people whose rights are being violated. Can this be achieved without
any regulatory intervention? I would say it cannot. Is the ITU the
right place to lead the development such an intervention? Definitely
not, but that does not mean that telecoms regulation is irrelevant
to securing a fair and open internet and it is really good that so
many new people are engaging ITU processes.<br>
<br>
This does bring us back to our 'Best Bits' goal about developing and
proposing principles for internet governance. Should we not begin to
plan our next steps?<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 29/11/2012 07:32, parminder wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:50B6F360.6010804@itforchange.net" type="cite">well
sorry, that was not the oped I did but another news item on
censorship in India
<br>
<br>
the oped is below
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/article4140922.ece">http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/article4140922.ece</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:54 AM, parminder wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
Hi All
<br>
<br>
Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the
ground coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your
attention to the oped that I did on WCIT in the larger content
of global IG in the top India daily 'The Hindu'. It kind of
gives a balancing view to what I think it often a one-sided
campaign with a relatively narrow vision and purpose.
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece">http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece</a>
<br>
<br>
parminder
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there
would be the other etherpad setup, please disregard the one I
sent out earlier today (i.e.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai">https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai</a>).
<br>
<br>
Thanks,
<br>
Tim
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellanso@cdt.org">ellanso@cdt.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ellanso@cdt.org"><mailto:ellanso@cdt.org></a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Hi all,
<br>
<br>
I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our
own
<br>
information security and coordination during WCIT, which I
hope
<br>
will be helpful to the larger group. The first is the
attached
<br>
tipsheet on information and device security for people who
will
<br>
be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff
technologist
<br>
Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful
contributions from
<br>
NDI). If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And
let me
<br>
know if you have any questions about the doc.
<br>
<br>
The second is this etherpad setup:
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/">https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/</a>. It's a central
<br>
homepage that can host multiple private and publicly
accessible
<br>
pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private
pads
<br>
requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public
pad
<br>
(e.g. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1">https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1</a>) should
be able
<br>
to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of
opportunity
<br>
for relatively secure communication plus potential to
create
<br>
public-facing docs as well. If you'd like to access the
private
<br>
pads, please email me and <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org">ellery@cdt.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org"><mailto:ellery@cdt.org></a>
<br>
and we'd be happy to create an account for you.
<br>
<br>
I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with
<br>
contact info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad
at the
<br>
above link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if
that's
<br>
easier for folks. And if you see your information listed
but
<br>
don't want it to be, please let me know!
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
Emma
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Dear Ellery et al,
<br>
<br>
For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting
yet, I'm
<br>
Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
<br>
<br>
We are facilitating participation of several groups – I
can
<br>
post/send the info as soon as I have the final details.
Should
<br>
this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the
etherpad? I
<br>
will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated
rep
<br>
from Dec 4 to 10.
<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the
call, but
<br>
would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk
are
<br>
doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here?
<br>
<br>
Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very
affordable deal
<br>
at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically
adjacent to
<br>
the conference venue.
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
Lea
<br>
<br>
From: Rashmi Rangnath <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org">rrangnath@publicknowledge.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org"><mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org></a>>
<br>
Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
<br>
To: Tim Hwang <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org">tim@mozillafoundation.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org"><mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org></a>>
<br>
Cc: William Drake <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch></a>>, Deborah Brown
<br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org">deborah@accessnow.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org"><mailto:deborah@accessnow.org></a>>, Ellery
<br>
Biddle <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org">ellery@cdt.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org"><mailto:ellery@cdt.org></a>>, "<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org">wcit12@cdt.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org"><mailto:wcit12@cdt.org></a>" <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org">wcit12@cdt.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org"><mailto:wcit12@cdt.org></a>>,
"<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org"><mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org></a>"
<br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org"><mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org></a>>, Harold
Feld
<br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hfeld@publicknowledge.org">hfeld@publicknowledge.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hfeld@publicknowledge.org"><mailto:hfeld@publicknowledge.org></a>>
<br>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT --
who's
<br>
attending, who's reporting
<br>
<br>
Al:
<br>
<br>
I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US
delegation.
<br>
<br>
I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
<br>
<br>
Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
<br>
<br>
Rashmi
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang
<br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org">tim@mozillafoundation.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org"><mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org></a>>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown
up a
<br>
quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in
with
<br>
information, if it's helpful:
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai">https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai</a>
<br>
<br>
Password is: ITU.
<br>
<br>
-Tim
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake
<br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch></a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Hi
<br>
<br>
FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just
finished
<br>
a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass
along a
<br>
few points of local interest while thinking it:
<br>
<br>
* expect to be constantly electronically
surveilled,
<br>
including in hotels
<br>
* expect all electronic communications to be
insecure,
<br>
particularly wireless
<br>
* keep any confidential info on you rather
than in hotel
<br>
* USG has received no info on how the
government might
<br>
react to any on-site activism of an
unapproved
<br>
nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to
let
<br>
State or the consulate know they'll be in
town.
<br>
<br>
Make of these what you will….
<br>
<br>
Cheers,
<br>
<br>
Bill
<br>
<br>
On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown
wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Hi all,
<br>
Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew.
Picking up
<br>
on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to
include
<br>
people's dates in Dubai in the list to
facilitate
<br>
coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend
a hand in
<br>
coordination as well.
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
Deborah
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake
<br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch></a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Hi
<br>
<br>
Despite all the debate and mobilization,
and ITU
<br>
staff's refrain that the meeting's fully
<br>
multistakeholder since people can simply
join their
<br>
national delegations, a cursory scan of
the
<br>
Announced List of Participants as of 27
November
<br>
shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or
so that
<br>
seem obviously to be civil society—half on
the US
<br>
del, the others scattered. Caveats apply:
a) It
<br>
may be that I just don't recognize some
individual
<br>
and organizational names so this
guesstimate's a
<br>
little low. b) In the UN context
(WSIS/IGF/CSTD
<br>
etc) and OECD the technical community and
CS are
<br>
separated, so that's how I count. I see
more TC
<br>
than CS names on the list, and while most
of the
<br>
former work in the private sector or for
<br>
administrative bodies like the RIRs, there
are some
<br>
people who are by various standards in
both. c)
<br>
The list is being periodically updated,
so there
<br>
may be some late registrations. All that
said, the
<br>
number seems unlikely to be terribly
high. There
<br>
may be more CS just coming and hanging
around in
<br>
hopes of getting into any open to the
public
<br>
sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise
populating the
<br>
hallways, than there are on the
delegations.
<br>
<br>
It would be good to have a list with
contact
<br>
details and to establish a communication
channel
<br>
e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation
members will
<br>
have some constraints) if Matthew wants to
coordinate.
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
<br>
Bill
<br>
<br>
PS: The call time below may not be optimal
for
<br>
people on dels if meetings run late (I'll
be on a
<br>
plane).
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery
Biddle wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Hi everyone,
<br>
<br>
We have been talking here at CDT about
various
<br>
strategies for communications and
coordination
<br>
during the WCIT. Lots to think about
here. Two
<br>
items on this:
<br>
<br>
First: Who is going to Dubai? We
/really/ want to
<br>
develop a list of civil society people
who will be
<br>
in Dubai for the conference. We think it
would be
<br>
helpful for those attending WCIT to know
what
<br>
other CS people will be there, and to
develop a
<br>
rough plan for coordinating once they
are in
<br>
Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former
policy
<br>
director who has been working on ITU
issues with
<br>
CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf.
He will not
<br>
be affiliated with any delegation. *If
you or
<br>
someone from your organization is going
to be in
<br>
Dubai (with or without delegate status),
and you'd
<br>
like to be in touch with other civil
society folks
<br>
there, please send Matthew an email
letting him
<br>
know. Matthew's email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mailto:mshears@cdt.org></a>*
<br>
<br>
Second: How can we coordinate on public
<br>
communication about the WCIT? We know
that many
<br>
CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and
responding to
<br>
press inquiries about the WCIT as it's
happening.
<br>
Given the relatively closed nature of
the event,
<br>
we know that it may be difficult to get
the
<br>
information we need in order to do this
well, and
<br>
that some coordination between groups
may help
<br>
fill this gap. We also anticipate that
rumors and
<br>
misinformation may become an issue, as
different
<br>
delegates may hear different things,
etc. In
<br>
anticipation of this, we want to propose
a group
<br>
call for next week. This will be open to
any civil
<br>
society groups planning to report on
WCIT, either
<br>
from Dubai or from outside the UAE.
Given the size
<br>
of these lists, I am setting an
arbitrary (though
<br>
early, which generally seems best) time
and date
<br>
for the call. Hope that plenty of folks
can join
<br>
-- we'll take and circulate good notes
for those
<br>
who can't make it.
<br>
<br>
*The call will take place on Tuesday,
December 4
<br>
at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of
international
<br>
toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I
will
<br>
circulate this again, along with a
reminder, on
<br>
Monday.
<br>
<br>
As always, please feel encouraged to
reply to the
<br>
list with additional ideas, questions,
etc.
<br>
<br>
Thanks all!
<br>
<br>
Ellery
<br>
<br>
Ellery Roberts Biddle
<br>
Center for Democracy and Technology
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://cdt.org/"><http://cdt.org/></a>
<br>
(415) 814-1711
<tel:%28415%29%20814-1711>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Deborah Brown
<br>
Policy Analyst
<br>
Access | AccessNow.org
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://AccessNow.org"><http://AccessNow.org></a>
<br>
E. <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org">deborah@accessnow.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org"><mailto:deborah@accessnow.org></a>
<br>
S. deborah.l.brown
<br>
T. deblebrown
<br>
PGP 0x5EB4727D
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Rashmi Rangnath
<br>
Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney
<br>
Public Knowledge
<br>
1818 N Street NW
<br>
Suite 410
<br>
Washington, D.C. 20036
<br>
202 861 0020 <tel:202%20861%200020>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org">rrangnath@publicknowledge.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org"><mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org></a>
<br>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
-- Emma J. Llansó
<br>
Policy Counsel
<br>
Center for Democracy & Technology
<br>
1634 I Street NW, Suite 1100
<br>
Washington, DC 20006
<br>
202-407-8818 <tel:202-407-8818> | @cendemtech
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech"><https://twitter.com/#%21/CenDemTech></a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Tim Hwang
<br>
Twitter: @timhwang
<br>
Phone: 973-960-4955
<br>
<br>
ROFLCon -- roflcon.org <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://roflcon.org"><http://roflcon.org></a>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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