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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 17 October 2012 09:23 AM,
Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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Actually it was one year ago, at the last IGF, that some of us on
this list first committed to produce such a set of civil society
principles, and to do so by this year's IGF. </blockquote>
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Jeremy, I agree such talk, and also real efforts, have been around
for a long time. And that we must strive to take it forward. My
impression about such principles, however, has always been that we
are aiming at substantive principles that may also include some
procedural issues. I have been a long-standing supporter of such
efforts. In fact at the IGFs, it was the presenation of Brazilian "<span
class="st">"<em>Principles</em> for the Governance and use of the
<em>Internet</em>" that triggered a kind of rough consensus </span>for
working towards such principles, which rough consensus, if I
remember right, was captured in Nitin Desai's and perhaps also IGF
chair's closing remarks at IGF-5. So, let us be clear about it. We
are talking about substantive principles related to Internet and
Internet governance and not just a list of procedural issues.<br>
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In this regard I will like to have the Internet Rights and
Principles document of the IRP dynamic coalition, plus the Brazilian
Internet principles document, as the starting texts. We need to move
beyond paying lip service to inclusiveness and voices from the
South. the IRP document have had relatively better (though still
very less) inclusion of voices from developing countires, and
Brazilian doc is of course a (really) multistakeholder effort from a
developing country.<br>
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I would also like to help in anchoring the Internet principles line
of activity, if it is going to take place.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:507E2BAF.40001@ciroap.org" type="cite">So it
didn't start off in a rush, though it may have ended up rather
that way. But by starting from what is already there (whether it
be the IRP principles as you prefer, or the APC/CoE document as
Wolfgang does, or even the Declaration of Internet Freedom as some
others may - nothing is yet set in stone), there is still no
reason for the outcome to be a rush job.<br>
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type="cite">We cant selectively chose some principles that
buttress certain governance orders and not other kinds. We will
need to go really deep, and go the whole hog.<br>
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That would be nice. But the raison d'être of Best Bits is to
bring together a more diverse group (at least in terms of civil
society participants) than any of those that have collaborated on
any of the existing individual documents referenced, and none of
those have gone the whole hog to your satisfaction. So this is a
point tending against the document being completely comprehensive,
because it would weaken support for it too much. It's not a new
dilemma, but remains a real one.<br>
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Balancing this (and an equally deliberate choice in designing this
event), there will be no Best Bits declaration - there will be a
document <b>at </b>Best Bits that individual groups can sign on
to, but nobody will be "forced" to do so. This is factor that
will allow us to produce stronger documents than we otherwise
might, because we will only need to reach a rough consensus, not a
full one. Anyone who isn't comfortable with a document can easily
pull out from it.<br>
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