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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 10 September 2012 03:26 AM,
Ginger Paque wrote:<br>
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type="cite">I just did the IGC survey, and it brought into sharp
focus the need for this point made by Bill: Sala--I would LOVE to
see this addressed by the IGC as a whole. <br>
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Hi GInger,<br>
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This is the question I often posed to the IRP group - why dont we
undertake advocacy with the IRP outcomes to try to have them
included in some global institutional frameworks etc.... try to find
avenues to institutionalise these rights and principles that we
worked on. However, most key participants in that group seemed to
take the view - well, we neednt do that, we should just have this
doc out there, and anyone can use it as one may want to. This is a
stance I could never understand, especially because I do believe in
collective normativities and coding them as and when required (human
rights instruments being a good example). <br>
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So, yes, I agree, the outputs of the workshops should be employed
effectively - not only to bring down (which may be necessary in
some/many cases) but also to build. I must stress, the proposed
workshop should not get derailed from its original task - which was
to 'build', while it must also bring down what needs to be brought
down - yes, I am talking about some problematic efforts at WCIT
proceeding to contort the global and open character of the Internet.<br>
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Regards, parminder <br>
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Bill said:<br>
BTW, perhaps in a separate thread, we might want to
discuss what's supposed to be done with these
statements. How exactly do we see "principles for the
IGF" and a "statement to WCIT" feeding into the
respective processes, etc…<br>
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I like Bill's re-ordering of the issues, so that
drafting follows directly upon discussion.<br>
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Even more, I would like the point quoted above to be
given high priority. Why discuss, debate and draft, if
the statements are not effectively used?<br>
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Cheers. gp<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Jeremy
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<div>Thanks for moving this forward. Your message to the
governance list today prompted me to have a non-cursory
second look at the draft schedule, and I'm wondering if we
might not want to consider others options before locking
in on the present version, which is:</div>
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<div>Day 1 - Saturday<br>
09:00 - 10:45 - Internet governance history and review</div>
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<div>11:00 - 12:45 - The ITU and the International
Telecommunications Regulations</div>
<div>14:00 - 15:45 - Declarations of Internet rights and
Internet governance principles</div>
<div>16:00 - 17:45 - Process towards enhanced cooperation
on Internet public policy issues</div>
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Day 2 - Sunday<br>
09:00 - 12:45 (stream 1) - Drafting a civil society
statement to WCIT<br>
09:00 - 12:45 (stream 2) - Drafting civil society IG
principles for the IGF<br>
<div>14:00 - 15:00 - Streams return together, present and
discuss draft texts from morning</div>
15:15 - 17:00 - Next steps<br>
<div>17:00 - 17:30 - Press conference and close</div>
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<div>Thoughts:</div>
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<div>1. We all have lots of experience with splitting
meetings into break-out drafting groups and views on its
utility. I'm in the camp that thinks that in a setting
like this, the costs would significantly outweigh the
benefits. I strongly believe it'd much better if
everyone can be in on both conversations and approach
all the potential outputs holistically. </div>
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<div>2. I don't think it's optimal to devote day 1 to
three big topic areas and then return to two of them on
day 2 and try to draft texts. I'd rather keep the flow
of discussion and thinking on each piece all together
than break it. Moreover,</div>
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<div> a. If we're not drafting on enhanced cooperation,
why spend two hours talking about it? As we all know,
there is a full-day meeting organized by APC, ISOC and
ICC the day after Best Bits. Enhanced cooperation will
also be taken up in a main session, an Euro Commission
Open Forum (oddly enough), etc. So it's not clear to me
what the value added of loading this into an already
heavy schedule would be. </div>
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<div> b. I wonder about the efficacy of trying to write
something serious, in a group context, from a full stop,
on WCIT and IG principles in the time allotted. If all
we're shooting for is a page and half of high-level
generalities fine, but if we're trying to actually
influence governments and other stakeholders it could be
more demanding. </div>
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<div> c. I wonder about the need for panels and
panelists. </div>
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<div> d. For a two-day meeting that comes before another
day of meetings (enhanced cooperation, GigaNet
symposium, ISOC, ministerial, etc etc) and then four
long days of IGF, I would suggest trying not to make
this feel like an endurance testing marathon. </div>
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<div>3. Hence, I would like to suggest what I believe
would be an easier, more focused, and ultimately more
productive and enjoyable approach:</div>
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<div>Day 1 - Saturday</div>
<div>09:00 - 10:45 <span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Group
review and discussion of the state of play and our goals
regarding global IG principles </div>
<div>11:00 - 12:00 Organization and mapping of drafting
exercise</div>
<div>13:30 - 17:45<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Drafting
civil society IG principles for the IGF</div>
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Day 2 - Sunday</div>
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<div>09:00 - 10:45 <span
style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Group
review and discussion of the state
of play and our goals regarding WCIT</div>
<div>11:00 - 12:00 Organization and
mapping of drafting exercise</div>
<div>13:30 - 17:45<span
style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Drafting
a civil society statement to WCIT </div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Just
my preference…others may have others,
so how about let's discuss and decide
together?</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">BTW,
perhaps in a separate thread, we might
want to discuss what's supposed to be
done with these statements. How
exactly do we see "principles for the
IGF" and a "statement to WCIT" feeding
into the respective processes, etc…</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Best,</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Bill</div>
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